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i perscribe meditation

12:15 PM

clear that head from thoughts

I don't think it works much with us because talking out loud reminds her voice and bam she's back =-=

aapeli 🟣🥫 ↩️

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Tohru | 夢

She trusts me but doesn't trust herself that she's doing good and that she won't make it fail like always bla bla or won't take the front again... Her overthinking mind is annoying me but I cannot block it all the time because it is flooding the brain to the point I can't say a thing

That parrotnoia probably isn't helping either. If she still doubts your responses, that will make switching difficult

indeed and I could never make it stop in my 10 years. The only moment she was 100% sure it was me was when she heard my voice

Ranger ↩️

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you dont need to think about switching when you talk to each other, talking to each other would fix a lot of other things i feel like

Tohru | 夢

indeed and I could never make it stop in my 10 years. The only moment she was 100% sure it was me was when she heard my voice

I mean, at this point why not go for vocal imposition. 10 years is just... hot damn

12:18 PM

What am I going to tell you that you don't already understand

But I could never make it happen again

12:19 PM

You could say a lot that I don't understand. Or more likely that she doesn't understand or know how to make happen. All things that happened has been mostly from my work on my own. She never got the energy to spend on me directly...

12:20 PM

But I'm not here to rant but to accumulate knowledge and maybe make her push in the right direction ^^ I don't care that 10y was lost on the way. I want for all of us to be free and happy

I think it can happen again. You may need a little hypnotic suggestion, but I think it can be done. Do you want me to try and type something out that might induce that response?

concentration, thinking and strong emotions make it hard to let the other headmate think/talk/switch

12:21 PM

and she's constantly thinking or going through something that makes it hard for you to do things

12:22 PM

and meditation helps with not thinking or feeling super strong emotions, and teaches you to just be aware of things without thinking

12:23 PM

thats the only real advice i have that you can start doing right away

12:23 PM

and i think it would help

If you think that could help I'd be glad to try ^^ We did try hypnosis to make something happen but it seems Twi isn't very suggestible

Ranger ↩️

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Tohru | 夢

If you think that could help I'd be glad to try ^^ We did try hypnosis to make something happen but it seems Twi isn't very suggestible

In a youtube video or in person?

meditation also helps you realize things about your mind that helps you shift your mindset slowly and that might help too

In fact the more she tries to make something happen, the less it may work because all her anxiety is triggered when focused on me. I had best luck to interact spontaneously with her when she's half busy like in a VC with someone.

aapeli 🟣🥫 ↩️

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Could be any, I feel that it would be more right in person for the presence feeling and not feel uncomfortable from it being a video

Ranger ↩️

Reply to: In a youtube video or in person?

Tohru | 夢

Could be any, I feel that it would be more right in person for the presence feeling and not feel uncomfortable from it being a video

I could try doing it over VC, although I don't know if my voice is particularly hypnotic

12:27 PM

I want to write out my script beforehand

12:27 PM

And if that doesn't work, we can see if Breloomancer or Verple can help you

Oh Verple. Long time I didn't see them.

They may be in Tulpa Train now

I think I was on their server before

Anyway, if you're anxious enough to be in a rut for 10 years, you are absolutely suggestible. I heard people who aren't don't have enough anxiety to worry about so many things. Plus, the mindsets caused by your anxiety are probably holding you back, which are related to suggestion. YouTube videos are pretty bad because the pacing isn't good and you may not be in the moment. You can't telk the YouTuber you aren't getting it or you feel bored, and clicking around can take away from the experience

Never thought about it like that. Still hypnosis didn't have much effect on us. May be easier now that we have a relaxation anchor created through meditation sessions. And I agree about the video issue.

Ranger ↩️

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I'm writing a script, do you want to do it over VC or do you want to read it?

you mean read it as in self hypnosis?

Could VC but it would require me to setup some stuff. And maybe bring Twi back as it'd be more for her than for me ^^°

Sure, that's fine! We can try VC. I would prefer it be a private call if you're okay with that, only so people don't interrupt us.

how do you even do self hypnosis

you write a script then just read it that's all ^^° I did that in the past and have a few scripts related to tulpas.

Moon

how do you even do self hypnosis

When you have Dream as your headmate and weird shit happens when he talks to you, I think I figured it out

Isnt all hypnosis self hypnosis?

A long kiss goodnight

Sure, that's fine! We can try VC. I would prefer it be a private call if you're okay with that, only so people don't interrupt us.

I'm okay with that just notify me which account you'll call.

(This is what ive heard from someone claiming to be a hypnotist)

Twilibri

you write a script then just read it that's all ^^° I did that in the past and have a few scripts related to tulpas.

All good! ~~I'll post it publicly then!~~ ~~Also, quick question: Are you in your room on your phone laying down?~~ Actually don't answer that nevermind (edited)

berockly (TTG)

Isnt all hypnosis self hypnosis?

I mean you can't really include "close your eyes" in self hypnosis :p

Sure you can!

A long kiss goodnight

All good! ~~I'll post it publicly then!~~ ~~Also, quick question: Are you in your room on your phone laying down?~~ Actually don't answer that nevermind (edited)

Not right now but I can go there

Crap nevermind

12:45 PM

Sorry

12:46 PM

I can ask you again in the VC

Hehe

Also, I can post the script publicly after we finish, I misread and thought you didn't want to VC

No no it's perfectly ok to VC ^^ even preferred I guess once the anxiety from VC is solved

I really need a nap before we start lol

12:47 PM

If I'm too tired

hehe rest well then

Hello I'd have a question about imposition. I'm a bit troubled by the fact my headmate presence/touch imposition could be felt by the body senses while they were supposedly fronting the body itself. Would you have some thoughts on that?

@Ra'ini I'm ready to do the VC, are you avalible? If not we can do it later

A long kiss goodnight

@Ra'ini I'm ready to do the VC, are you avalible? If not we can do it later

I'm currently outside and will be eating something. We could do that in 30-60 minutes?

Absolutey! Feel free to ping me!

Great! Will do

For anyone interested, here was the "script" I used:

2:26 AM

Questions to ask beforehand:

-Sitting or lying down?
-Chair, bed, couch?
-Where are they? Phone or computer? (In practice I didn't ask this oops)

Take a moment to appreciate your surroundings.

(Tell them statements based on expectations)

Ex. Focus on the softness of the pillow under your head.

===

This is the physical world your body lives in. But now, you are going to slowly drift to a different world, one in your mind. You have been here before, even if you can't quite remember it. You may or may not see anything, but that's okay. This world is special, it doesn't ask to be seen. Only to be listened to.

Your dear companion, Tohru, is here with you. And they have something really special to say. It may start as a whisper or a few nay sayings, but listen closely. It will grow louder, your heart will feel it's being lifted and your mind opening up to the mysterys of your mind.

Now, listen.

(edited)

2:26 AM

~~It wasn't super effective iirc~~

But it sounds cool

2:27 AM

So theres that atleast

True

Ra'ini

Hello I'd have a question about imposition. I'm a bit troubled by the fact my headmate presence/touch imposition could be felt by the body senses while they were supposedly fronting the body itself. Would you have some thoughts on that?

Imposition is totally auxiliary from the development of the tulpa. If there’s a leftover presence/touch, it could just be you not wholeheartedly believing that someone is at the front, or the residual “mannequin” of the tulpa’s form being imposed by you just because it may be muscle memory. My advice is to believe that a tulpa is entirely in one place, not leaving the possibility that they could be anywhere else. Making that 100-percent decision so that they are in-fact there, like having expectations translate to noticeable change. In short, instead of saying “Is my tulpa here or somewhere else?”, say “My tulpa is definitely here”. Work around that how you see fit. I guess you could call it puppeting, but it’s simply to nudge things in the right direction so that you and your tulpa can go back to interacting normally.

ringgggg

Imposition is totally auxiliary from the development of the tulpa. If there’s a leftover presence/touch, it could just be you not wholeheartedly believing that someone is at the front, or the residual “mannequin” of the tulpa’s form being imposed by you just because it may be muscle memory. My advice is to believe that a tulpa is entirely in one place, not leaving the possibility that they could be anywhere else. Making that 100-percent decision so that they are in-fact there, like having expectations translate to noticeable change. In short, instead of saying “Is my tulpa here or somewhere else?”, say “My tulpa is definitely here”. Work around that how you see fit. I guess you could call it puppeting, but it’s simply to nudge things in the right direction so that you and your tulpa can go back to interacting normally.

I do agree on most of that idea that imposition is auxiliary because it's about the same level of feelings as phantom limbs which doesn't require headmates. It was just that I don't do the imposition myself and while she was fronting at the time I could feel her presence externally and it troubled me a bit. I don't give it too much thoughts as she told me it was ok and that I didn't need to stress over that but I was still curious so I still asked ^^

No hurt in asking!

M'rawrrrrr! I come again with another question but more like curiosity if more individuals experience something like me. When focusing on my headmate to interact with them (usually touch imposition) I often realize that when I'm 100% dedicated to them and focussed on getting attention, I have weaker feelings than when I'm half focused on it. For example yesterday I was chatting with someone on discord and felt very strongly the presence of one of my headmate, accompanied with high heat imposition. I feel the sensations are stronger when I'm not 100% dedicated and most like busy doing something that keep me distracted a bit (but not too draining like playing games requiring 100% focus) Do some of you also have this impression?

focus and forcing is a distractor from just doing it

11:01 AM

in my view

11:02 AM

focusing on your tulpa and feeling/interacting with your tulpa are two different processes, so it makes sense that if you focus on it it becomes harder, right?

11:06 AM

of course it depends what you mean by focusing

11:07 AM

if itms just about changing what your awareness is lighting up, that’s good if there is an effort involved, that might be an obstruction

11:08 AM

the indicator it you are doing former or latter can be what is happening in your body. If it’s relaxed, then it’s former. if there is any tension (around your eyes, on your head, in your arms, chest, etc), it’s probably the latter

Leiko

if itms just about changing what your awareness is lighting up, that’s good if there is an effort involved, that might be an obstruction

I think that has to do with that. The more "I try" the less it happens? I don't know but that's how it feels somehow

11:45 AM

And by focusing I mostly meant being there attentive about how they feel around. Not doing any other activity than "listening" to their touch and trying to guess what they're trying to do

11:49 AM

Part of me thinks that by being 100% attentive, I get an expectation that I can do something to make the touch stronger or that something will happen because I'm attentive instead of just letting it happen. Contrary to when I'm "busy" talking with someone and suddenly and unexpectedly I start to notice my headmate's presence and touch.

I think that has to do with that. The more "I try" the less it happens? I don't know but that's how it feels somehow

@Ra'ini - jump there is an interesting parallel between what you are saying and meditation, if you try to meditate, that's not real meditation

It's not meditation. At least not this specific event ^^ when I meditate I don't try to interact with them

i'm not saying it is meditation

12:11 PM

i'm just saying there is parallel between the two in that one aspect

12:15 PM

i believe that tulpamancy is not a skill you learn. in my opinion it is something people inheritely can do, but what is stopping people from it being an experience that people can easily achieve is because of people putting effort and misunderstanding the role of focus. a lot of people think that tulpamancy is a skill, that the more they do tulpamancy the more effortless it is, but i believe it is the opposite: person learns with time to put less effort, and hence it is effortless what would you expect if it's true? well, you would expect a few things: -different people having different speeds of learning to have a tulpa -people experiencing tulpamancy without reading about tulpamancy -people having rapid progress when pushed into not putting effort compared to people approaching it intellectually, like a skill all of the above is true in my experience, especially the last one. when a lot of people that are stuck in tulpamancy can have a breakthrough almost immediately when helping them not to put the effort in

I agree with most of this ^^ New tulpas are increasingly easier to "make" especially involuntarily. Even if I understand that making or thinking that effort is needed can hinder progress it is quite difficult to transition that idea in my mind and stop thinking I need to explicitly put effort for progress. And I believe this is hindering me a lot currently and since many years

12:46 PM

I still "wait" for a "breakthrough" to find confidence again in my progress It's hard to not put effort but still making time for it (edited)

it definitely is hard, with things like that it helps when someone else guides you to this, but it gets really hard if you've been in this mindset for years, you need ot unlearn it which is not something that people are taught how to do

Yeah I understand the struggle. I used to have a great mindset during the first few months of my first headmate existence but it degraded quickly after and didn't change much over the last 8-10 years

I still "wait" for a "breakthrough" to find confidence again in my progress It's hard to not put effort but still making time fo...

@Ra'ini - jump the important thing is that you had a breakthrough in the past. in my view when you could do tulpamancy and now you can't, it's not related to tulpamancy much

Quite a fair argument that I can agree with. But couldn't put my paw on the issue concretely

You should put more effort into putting less effort into tulpamancy

I'm not sure to understand that.

he's /jk'ing

Oh wasn't clear

Ra'ini

M'rawrrrrr! I come again with another question but more like curiosity if more individuals experience something like me. When focusing on my headmate to interact with them (usually touch imposition) I often realize that when I'm 100% dedicated to them and focussed on getting attention, I have weaker feelings than when I'm half focused on it. For example yesterday I was chatting with someone on discord and felt very strongly the presence of one of my headmate, accompanied with high heat imposition. I feel the sensations are stronger when I'm not 100% dedicated and most like busy doing something that keep me distracted a bit (but not too draining like playing games requiring 100% focus) Do some of you also have this impression?

There are certain mental states where my original struggles with visual and touch imposition with me, whereas unplanned and spontaneous interaction is usually extremely vivid. What I've noticed about him is that, when he's in a state where he struggles to interact with me, it seems to always be alongside general worry about our life, and unfortunately it often loops into specific anxiety about not being able to experience being close to me. I've found something that works for us. When he gets into a state like this, I let him know that I've noticed what's happening, and convey a sense of "letting go" of trying to attain a specific level of imposition. I also convey a sense of just sitting with whatever level of connection we're able to have at the time, and appreciating that as a good thing. Since he's reading this, I have to clarify that I write this next bit as an observation, not as a prescription; what I have observed happens is that taking time to sit with a state of "letting go" of pushing for a particular level of imposition results in our level of imposition improving. Sometimes it takes a little while, but our imposition usually returns to the level we'd expect from a spontaneous interaction. (I do think what Leiko wrote about this not being a problem related to tulpamancy applies here. In my own systems case, we have the ability to have very vivid experiences, but we're sometimes blocked from accessing that.)

9:42 PM

He also wishes for me to convey that he personally finds the idea of "letting go" of pushing for a particular outcome being the key to attaining said outcome to be very counter-intuitive.

Cerys

There are certain mental states where my original struggles with visual and touch imposition with me, whereas unplanned and spontaneous interaction is usually extremely vivid. What I've noticed about him is that, when he's in a state where he struggles to interact with me, it seems to always be alongside general worry about our life, and unfortunately it often loops into specific anxiety about not being able to experience being close to me. I've found something that works for us. When he gets into a state like this, I let him know that I've noticed what's happening, and convey a sense of "letting go" of trying to attain a specific level of imposition. I also convey a sense of just sitting with whatever level of connection we're able to have at the time, and appreciating that as a good thing. Since he's reading this, I have to clarify that I write this next bit as an observation, not as a prescription; what I have observed happens is that taking time to sit with a state of "letting go" of pushing for a particular level of imposition results in our level of imposition improving. Sometimes it takes a little while, but our imposition usually returns to the level we'd expect from a spontaneous interaction. (I do think what Leiko wrote about this not being a problem related to tulpamancy applies here. In my own systems case, we have the ability to have very vivid experiences, but we're sometimes blocked from accessing that.)

Many thanks for that detailed answer. I can definitely see our situation in part of these words especially about specific anxiety about not being able to experience being close to me with is a general worry I have had for years and still present to this day... Letting go is still something I find difficult to do actively. I'm glad to see similar answers about trying being kind of counter productive. Maybe that instead of feeling bad that I couldn't help much I should just accept that I need to not try to help and let it happen just by creating opportunities.

Ra'ini

Many thanks for that detailed answer. I can definitely see our situation in part of these words especially about specific anxiety about not being able to experience being close to me with is a general worry I have had for years and still present to this day... Letting go is still something I find difficult to do actively. I'm glad to see similar answers about trying being kind of counter productive. Maybe that instead of feeling bad that I couldn't help much I should just accept that I need to not try to help and let it happen just by creating opportunities.

Letting go is still something I find difficult to do actively.

I appreciate it's very tricky! Actively trying to not actively do anything is extremely tricky; it's even tricky to write about!

How does Tohru perceive you feeling bad about being stuck and not able to actively help? How does she feel about that?

it's sad... That's how I feel it. I wish to do more so we can be happy together. Dissipating all source of doubts and fears of meddling.

Cerys ↩️

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11:07 PM

about Twi not being able to help. I don't really mind. She's doing what she can with what she has. I know I'm seeing enough to compensate for her and now our system grow in size. I'm sad she's suffering from feeling she cannot do anything.

Tohru | 夢

about Twi not being able to help. I don't really mind. She's doing what she can with what she has. I know I'm seeing enough to compensate for her and now our system grow in size. I'm sad she's suffering from feeling she cannot do anything.

I see. Perhaps what you could try is making it your two-fold role to aim compassion/patience at her, while also trying to accept the same from her in return... and @Ra'ini could do the same, expressing patience and compassion for you while also trying her best to trust and accept it in return. I wonder what might happen if you're able to sit like that for a while, bouncing that patience and understanding and trust to whoever needs it at that moment. Something my original sometimes finds very helpful is to say out loud that he trusts me (he needed a bit of coaxing and patience to feel OK saying it out loud). That seems to help him let go of trying to actively fix everything; perhaps that trick is worth a try if you haven't tried it before :3